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William HERBERT (1802-1892)

and Frances OLDER (1805-1889)

 

William Herbert and Frances Older married by banns on 20 February 1829 at the parish church of St. Mary's in Pulborough, Sussex.  The witnesses to their marriage were Elizabeth Hall and James Ovington.  The banns were published in Pulborough on 23 and 30 November and 7 December 1828.  (They were not my direct ancestors.  Frances was the sister of my 3x Great Grandmother, Sophia Older.)

William Herbert was baptised on 17 February 1805 in Pulborough.  He was the son of William Herbert and Caroline Fowler.  He died aged 87 years in the first quarter of 1892.  On 16 April 1825, William was named in a bastardy order/bond as the putative father of a male child born on 12 February 1825 to Mary Netley.  The child was born in the house of William Slater in Pulborough.  He was George Netley and was baptised on 9 March 1825 in Pulborough.

Frances Older was baptised on 11 August 1805 in Pulborough.  She was the fourth daughter and sixth child of Allen Older (c1775-1842) and Sarah Brooks (1775-1862).  She died aged 84 years and her death was registered in the first quarter of 1889 in the Thakeham registration district.

Before her marriage she had an illegitimate son by James Gravett, who was a labourer:

  1. John Older was born on 4 April 1825 at the poor house in Angmering, Sussex and baptised on 29 May 1825 in Pulborough.  A bastardy order/bond was issued on 28 May 1825 recording his date of birth and naming his father.  When the 1841 census was recorded he was said to be a 15 year old shoemaker and he was living with his mother and step father in Pulborough.  When the 1861 census was recorded, John Holder was a married 36 year old cordwainer living at 16 Thomas Street, Brighton, Sussex in the home of 39 year old Caroline Smith, his wife was not at the same address.

    John married Harriet Whittington by banns on 6 June 1844 in Pulborough.  He was then a 20 year old bachelor and shoemaker and she a 29 year old spinster.  The witnesses to the marriage were Clement Willard and Sophia Willard (Clement and Sophia were my 3x great grandparents).  In 1851 the couple were living in Pulborough and 6 year old Charlotte Herbert was visiting them.  Allen Older  was then either living in the same property or next door.

    Harriet was baptised on 5 October 1817 in Pulborough and was the daughter of James Whittington (1790-1869) and Ann Mitchell (1794-?).  She died aged 75 years and her death was registered in third quarter of 1891 in the Thakeham registration district, as Harriett Older.

    In 1861 Harriet was living with her mother in Lower Street, Pulborough.  In 1871, Harriet Older was a married 56 year old washer woman living in Lower Street along with her 16 year old nephew Jesse Lidbetter who was an erand boy.  He was baptised as Jesse Woods Lidbetter on 23 March 1856 in Pulborough and was the illegitimate son of Mary Lidbetter, a single woman.  When the 1881 census was recorded, Harriet was a married 64 year old and charwoman living in Lower Street, South Side in Pulborough.  Also living with her was her 7 year old nephew, William Coote Herbert, and his mother Charlotte Herbert was visiting the household.  Her husband was not living with her in 1881.  The 1891 census records that Harriet Holder was a 74 year old widow and pauper living in Lower Street, along with Henry Daughtry aged 33, 44 year old Charlotte Daughtry and 18 year old William Herbert.

 

Lower Street, Pulborough, circa 1910, taken from http://www.footstepsphotos.co.uk/Sussex/ssxp10.htmAt the time of the 1841 census William, Frances and their children were living in Lower Street, Pulborough and William was a bricklayer.  Also with them on census night were Richard Brooks aged 70 and 60 year old James Mann who were both agricultural labourers.  The next household recorded in the census was that of Frances's parents.

The family were living in Pulborough when the 1851 census was recorded and William was a bricklayer.

The 1861 census records that the family were still living in Lower Street.  The couple were both aged 56 years and William was a bricklayer.  Three of their children were at home on census night along with 2 granddaughters (Eliza and Emily) and 89 year old widowed mother Sarah Older.  They were living next door to the family of William Older.

In 1871 the couple and their son Clement were living in the Old Workhouse in Lower Street.

In 1881, William and Frances were both aged 76 years and living in Malt House Cottages, Pulborough.

When the 1891 census was recorded, William was living with his married daughter, Eliza. 

 

William Herbert and Frances Older had 9 known children:

  1. Caroline Fowler Herbert was baptised on 29 September 1829 in Pulborough.  In 1841 she was 11 years old.  The 1851 census records that she was a 21 year old milliner's apprentice living in Storrington Village with the family of George Quelch and his wife Ann who was a milliner.  In 1861 she was an unmarried 31 year old dressmaker living at home with her parents.

    Caroline had 2 illegitimate daughters:

    1. Eliza Chatfield Herbert was baptised on 19 October 1856 in Pulborough.  In 1861 she was a 4 year old scholar living with her mother and maternal grandparents.  She was an unmarried 24 year old dressmaker living with her mother and step father in 1881.

    2. Emily Chatfield Herbert was born about 1859 in Pulborough.  In 1861 she was 2 years old and living with her mother and maternal grandparents.  She was an unmarried 22 year old dressmaker living with her mother and step father in 1881.  She married in the second quarter of 1881 to possibly Thomas Ayling.

    Caroline married James Slater by banns on 24 December 1870 in Pulborough.  He was then a 25 year old bachelor and labourer and she a 40 year old spinster.  The witnesses to their marriage were David Rapley and Charlotte Fowler Herbert.  Their fathers were named as William Slater a blacksmith and William Herbert a bricklayer.

    James was baptised on 5 May 1844 in Wisborough Green, Sussex and was the son of William Slater and Esther Mansfield.  When the 1881 census was recorded the couple were living in Malt House Cottages, Lower Street, South Side, Pulborough, along with Caroline's 2 daughters and 3 year old grandson, Arthur Herbert.  James was then an agricultural labourer.  In 1891 the couple and their 14 year old grandson Arthur were living in Malthouse Buildings in Lower Street.

  2. William Herbert was baptised on 1 January 1832 in Pulborough.  He was 9 years old in 1841.  In 1851 he was a 19 year old agricultural labourer living at home with his parents.

    William married Jane Steadman by banns on 9 November 1856 in Storrington.  He was then a bachelor and she a spinster.  There fathers were named as William Herbert a bricklayer and William Steadman a deceased labourer.  The witness to their marriage were Eliza Slater and John Battcock.

    Jane was baptised on 28 October 1832 in Coldwaltham and was the daughter of William Stedman and Elizabeth Standen.  She died aged 66 years and was buried on 6 February 1898 in Storrington.

    In 1861 the couple and their 2 young children were living in Church Street, Storrington and William was a 28 year old fellmonger.  Jane was then 29 years old.  In 1871 they were living on Storrington Common and William was a carrier's labourer. When the 1881 census was recorded William was a tanner's labourer and the family were living on Storrington Common

    William and Jane had the following known children:

    1. Fanny Herbert was born in the first quarter of 1857 in Storrington and baptised there on 4 October 1857 as Fanny Eliza Herbert.  At the time of her baptism her father was a tanner.  She was a 4 year old scholar in 1861.  In 1871 she was 14 years old.

    2. William Herbert was born in the fourth quarter of 1859 in Storrington and baptised there on 5 February 1860.  At the time of his baptism his father was a fellmonger.  In 1861 he was a year old and in 1871 he was an 11 year old scholar.  He was a 20 year old boot maker in 1881.

    3. Alfred Herbert was born in the third quarter of 1862 in Storrington and baptised there on 5 October 1862.  His father was then a fellmonger.  In 1871 he as an 8 year old scholar.  He was an 18 year old baker in 1881.

    4. Alice Herbert was baptised on 17 December 1864 in Storrington, at which time her father was a fellmonger.  She died as an infant and was burried on 22 December 1864 in Storrington.

    5. Frank Herbert was baptised on 4 March 1866 in Storrington, at which time his father was a labourer.  He died aged 15 months on Easter Day and was buried on 21 March 1867 in Storrington.

    6. Mary Ellen Herbert was born in the second quarter of 1868 in Storrington and baptised there on 14 June 1868.  At thie time of her baptism her father was a labourer.  She was a 3 year old scholar in 1871.  In 1881 she was a 13 year old scholar.

    7. Clara Jane Herbert was born in the fourth quarter of 1870 in Storrington.  In 1871 Clara was 4 months old.  The 1881 census records that she was 10 year Jane Herbert who was a scholar.

  3. Charles Herbert was baptised on 19 June 1834 in Pulborough.  In 1851 he was a 17 year old journeyman shoemaker living with his parents.  When the 1881 census was recorded he was a married 46 year old boat maker lodging at The Square in Dorking, Surrey, the home of 82 year old John Slater, and his 67 year old wife, Harriott Slater, who had both been born in West Chiltington, Sussex.  Charles's wife was not living at the same address.

  4. Eliza Herbert was baptised on 19 June 1836 in Pulborough.  In 1841 she was 4 years old.  She was 14 years old when the 1851 census was recorded.

    Eliza married twice.  Firstly to Edwin Blunden by banns on 5 June 1875 in Pulborough.  He was a 35 year old bachelor and railway porter and she a 36 year old spinster.  The witnesses to the marriage were Cornelius Denyer and Caroline Slater.  Their fathers were named as James Blunden a labourer and William Herbert a bricklayer.

    Edwin died aged 37 years and his death was registered in the first quater of 1878 in the Thakeham registration district.

    Eliza then married William Henry Beach in the first quarter of 1879 in the Thankeham registration district

    William Henry was born in the fourth quarter of 1845 in Glynde, Sussex.  He was the son of William Beach and Ruth Simmons.  In 1851 he was a 5 year old scholar and living with his parents in Glynde Village.  His father was then a horticultural labourer.

    William and Eliza were living in Pulborough at the time of the 1891 census along with her 86 year old father and their 16 year old niece, Eliza Carter.

  5. Alfred Herbert was baptised on 18 November 1838 in Pulborough.  In 1841 he was 2 years old.  He died aged 7 years and was buried on 1 August 1846 in Pulborough.

  6. Ellen Herbert was baptised on 30 April 1841 in Pulborough.  When the 1841 census was recorded she was a month old.  She died aged 7 weeks and was buried on 23 June 1841 in Pulborough.

  7. Clement Herbert was baptised on 3 July 1842 in Pulborough.  In 1851 he was a 7 year old scholar.  He was an 18 year old painter in 1861.  In 1871 he was an unmarried 27 year old painter living with his parents.

    Clement married Harriet Luxford on 9 December 1872 in Wisborough Green, Sussex.

    Harriet was baptised on 22 January 1843 in Wisborough Green and was the daughter of Job Luxford (1815-?) and Mary Randal.

    When the 1901 census was recorded Clement was a painter and plumber living in Pulborough.

    Clement and Harriet had the following children:

    1. Frank Clement Herbert was baptised on 31 July 1874 in Pulborough.  He married Edith Peryer in the third quarter of 1897 in the Thakeham registration district.  She was baptised on 6 June 1869 in Pulborough and was the daughter of George Peryer and Harriett.  Frank was a 26 year old paperhanger and painter in 1901 and living in Pulborough with his wife and 3 children.

    2. Kate Harriett Herbert was born in the second quarter of 1877 in Pulborough.  She married in the first quarter of 1907 in the Thakeham registration district.

    3. Stanley Herbert was born about 1883 in Pulborough.  He was an 18 year old painter and plumber in 1901.

  8. Charlotte Herbert was baptised on 25 May 1845 in Pulborough.  In 1851 she was a 6 year old visitor in the home of John Older and his wife Harriett.  The 1861 census records that she was a 16 year old under house maid in the home of William Sinclair the Rector of Pulborough.  When the 1881 census was recorded, 35 year old, unmarried Charlotte was a house maid and visiting her sister-in-law and son.  In 1891 she and her husband and son were living with her sister-in-law Harriet Holder.  Charlotte and Henry were living in Lower Street when the 1901 census was recorded.

    Charlotte had an illegitimate son:

    1. William Coot Herbert was baptised on 19 July 1873 in Pulborough, at which time his mother was living in Lower Street.  His birth was registered in the third quarter of 1873 in the Thakeham registration district.  In 1881 he was a 7 year old scholar living with his Aunt Harriet Older.  The 1891 census records that he was an 18 year old painter.  In 1901 he was an unmarried 27 year old paperhanger and painter boarding in the home of 40 year old widow, Hannah Bailey and her 3 year old son Arthur Bailey, at 57 Drummond Road in Stoke within, near Guildford, Surrey.

    Charlotte married Henry Daughtry in the fourth quarter of 1882 in the Thakeham registration district.

    Henry was baptised on 2 May 1858 in Pulborough and was the son of William Daughtery (c1821-?) and Martha Upfold, nee Greenfield (c1818-1862).  His paternal grandparents were Thomas Daughtry and Catherine Warner, and his maternal grandparents were Charles Greenfield and Martha Smart.  At the time of the 1861 census he was 3 years old and living with his parents and elder step siblings in a Licence Boarding House in Pulborough.  His father was then an agricultural labourer.  The 1871 census records that he was 15 years old and living with his Uncle George Daughtry (c1826-?) and his wife Jane at Bottle Lodge in Pulborough.  In 1891 he was a 33 year old agricultural labourer.

  9. Fanny Matilda Herbert was baptised on 28 November 1847 in Pulborough.  In 1851 she was 3 years old.  She was a 13 year old scholar in 1861.

    Fanny had 2 illegitimate sons:

    1. Alfred Herbert was baptised on 12 November 1866 in Pulborough.  He died aged 23 days and was buried on 28 November 1866 in Pulborough.

    2. William Dean Herbert was baptised on 12 July 1872 in Pulborough.  He died aged 3 months and was buried on 5 September 1872 in Pulborough.

    Fanny married John Carter in the third quarter of 1874 in Brighton.

    When the 1881 census was recorded, Fanny and her children were living at 23 Marine Place in Broadwater, Sussex, the home of her mother-in-law, 77 year old Mary Carter, who was a widow and a dressmaker.  Eliza was then said to be the wife of a fisherman.  Her husband John was then a 40 year old able bodied seaman on board the "Heroine" at Falmouth in Cornwall.  In 1891, Fanny was a married general domestic servant living at The Priory in Heene Road in Heene, Sussex.

    John and Fanny had the following children:

    1. Mary Eliza Carter was baptised on 13 December 1874 in Pulborough.  She was 7 year old Eliza Carter when the 1881 census was recorded and living with her mother and paternal grandmother in Broadwater.

    2. James William Carter was baptised on 9 April 1876 in Broadwater.  He was killed in WW1 on 30 August 1918 and was burid in the Adanac Military Cemetery in Miraumont at the Somme.  (More details can be found on the CWGC web site.)  At the time of his death he was a sapper with Royal Engineers, 429th Field Company.  His service number was 416235.  It was also recorded that he was then 42 years old and the son of John and Fanny Carter of Worthing and the husband of Ada Jane Louise Cater of 21 Clifton Road, Worthing.

      In 1881 he was 5 year old William Carter and living with his mother and grandmother.  He became a carpenter.

      James married Ada Jane Louise Bacon in 1904.  She died in 1927.  They had 1 child:

      1. Lilian E. F. Carter was born in 1908 in Worthing.  She married William G. Heather in 1927.

    3. Frances Ellen Carter was baptised on 14 April 1878 in Broadwater.  In the 1881 she was 3 year old Ellen Carter living with her mother and grandmother.  The 1891 census records that Ellen was a 14 year old visitor in the home of 66 year old John Reeves in Clapgate, Slinfold, Sussex.

    4. Charlotte Herriette Carter was baptised on 13 February 1881 in Broadwater.  She was 4 months old when the 1881 census was recorded.

    5. Fanny Louisa Carter was baptised on 9 December 1883 in Broadwater.

 

Many thanks to Martin Heather for additions to this page.

HERBERT          HOLDER

This page was reviewed on 10 April 2012