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John HAMES (c1654-1739)

and Elizabeth PAYNE (1656-1743)

 

John Hames and Elizabeth Payne were my 7x Great Grandparents.  (Click here to see their place in my pedigree chart.)  They married on  26 January 1679/80 in West Hoathly, Sussex.

John Hames was born in about 1654.  He died aged 85 years and was buried on 5 December 1739 in West Hoathly.  The burial register records his name as John Hams.  So far I've not found whether he left a will, nor for any other earlier Hames.  He may have been the son of John Hames (1615-1679) and Phillippa Tully (1627-?), or the son of Richard Hames and Susanna, who had 2 children baptised in 1665 and 1669 in East Grinstead, Sussex. 

Elizabeth Payne was born on 1 December 1656 in West Hoathly.  She was the daughter of 5 197 Henry Payne (1625-?) and 5 197 Mary Humphrey (1626-1679), although the West Hoathly parish register records her mother's name as Elizabeth.  Her birth was registered, although she doesn’t seem to have been baptised.  She was buried on 10 April 1743 in West Hoathly, as Elizabeth Hams, widow.  Another Elizabeth Paine was baptised on 22 September 1659 in East Grinstead, the daughter of Thomas Payne and Joan.

They were the only Hams family to have had children baptised in West Hoathly between 1680 and 1700.

 

John Hames and Elizabeth Payne had 8 known children:

  1. Mary Hams was baptised on 26 November 1684 in West Hoathly.  A transcript of the West Hoathly register records her surname as Davis.  Did she marry William Pepper on 28 April 1720 in Barcombe?

  2. Elizabeth Hams was baptised on 24 April 1686 in West Hoathly.  A transcript of the West Hoathly register records her surname as Harris.  Did she marry James Hobbs on 16 April 1716 in Barcombe, Sussex?  He was then of East Hoathly, Sussex.

  3. Sarah Hams was baptised on 12 February 1687/8 in West Hoathly.  A transcript of the West Hoathly register records her surname as Harris.  She may have been buried on 29 October 1745 in West Hoathly.  The burial register only records that Sarah Hams was buried.

  4. Anne Hams was baptised on 23 March 1688/9 in West Hoathly.

  5. John Hams was baptised on 7 November 1691 in West Hoathly.

    John married Elizabeth Hall on 17 April 1718 in Balcombe, Sussex.

    John and Elizabeth may have had the following daughters:

    1. Elizabeth Hams was baptised on 3 May 1719 in Balcombe.  (She did have a cousin Elizabeth Hames who was born in 1724.)

      Elizabeth married Alexander Ashdown by licence on 19 April 1750 in Maresfield, Sussex.  They were both then said to be of East Grinstead.

      Alexander and Elizabeth had 3 known children:

      1. Alexander Ashdown was baptised on 22 January 1751/2 in East Grinstead.  He married Ann West on 22 April 1773 in East Grinstead.  They had 12 known children.

      2. Lydia Ashdown was baptised on 22 January 1753/4 in East Grinstead.

      3. Elizabeth Ashdown was baptised on 14 November 1754 in East Grinstead.

    2. Jane Hame was baptised on 17 November 1723 in Balcombe.

    3. Ann Hams may have been part of this family.  She married John Constable by banns on 30 August 1745 in Balcombe.  They were both of Balcombe.

    4. Mary Hams was baptised on 25 May 1729 in Balcombe.

    5. Jane Hams was baptised on 25 May 1729 in Balcombe.

    6. Sarah Hames was baptised on 23 March 1729/30 in Balcombe.

    7. Susanna Hames was baptised on 11 March 1731/2 in Balcombe.

  6. Jane Hams was baptised on 18 March 1692/3 in West Hoathly.  She may have married John Vinall  on 2 June 1719 in West Hoathly.  The Sussex marriage index records her surname as Hams, whereas a transcript of the Bishops transcripts says Harris.  John may have been baptised on 18 May 1680 in West Hoathly and have been the son of John Vennoll and Susanna Payne.

  7. Susannah Hams was baptised on 17 April 1695 in West Hoathly.  She probably died as a result of childbirth and was buried on 18 September 1734 in Fletching, Sussex.  As Susanna Hames she married Nicholas Thorpe on 1 May 1729 in Fletching.  (They have their own page.)

  8. William Hamms, my 6x Great Grandfather, was baptised on 9 October 1697 in West Hoathly.  He married Dorothy sometime before or about 1721.  (They have their own page.)

  9. The West Hoathly burial register records that [blank] son of [blank] Hams was buried on 10 January 1701/2.  Was this an unbaptised infant?


HAMES          PAYNE